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Saving Private Ryan (1998, Tom Hanks, Tom Sizemore)
Something for Friends fans - Phoebe's brother and Chandler's mental new roommate both star in this film.
When they go to find Private Ryan there are 8 of them, when they go to a German town and the guy picks up the little girl and he gets killed there are 7, right? Wrong. A few scenes later they show all 8 of them marching on to the next town, only in afar away camera shot so its hard to see.
In real life, commanding officers don't wear any marking which could easily advertise their rank and importance to snipers. In this movie, Tom Hanks has those bars on his helmet. [Tom Hanks specifically mentioned in an interview that officers would cover the insignia so as not to present a target to snipers, but for the movie they felt it lent a dramatic air to have the bars on his helmet.].
The canteen Tom Hanks drinks from on the landing craft is not U.S. issue. All of the stainless steel canteens had the year and manufacturer stamped plainly on the bottom. In addition, when he drinks again at the top of the hill, it is a different canteen. [Generally, you drink from what you've got]. [Apparently stainless steel didn't even exist during WW2 - canteens were aluminium, with no stamp].
It is doubtful that an entire squad of men could be so militarily dysfunctional and foolish in their advance across enemy held ground. [Apparently the soldiers made "Good use of the arrowhead formation in open ground"]
Privates would never get away with talking down to a corporal, in fact, it would probably not come up. And privates would never argue with an order given by a sergeant, and certainly not by an officer. [For both of these, I've been told by an actual officer that officers don't react all that badly (necessarily) to being talked back at].
Infantrymen are trained to use their weapons. It is inconceivable that everyone under fire on the beach just "hid" and no-one thought to return fire to the bunkers. [I wasn't on the beaches during the invasion (duh), but I think it does make sense that a lot of people were terrified.]
The machine guns in the bunkers are firing down at the troops, however the tracers are travelling parallel to the water's surface.
The German tanks have Tiger turrets but Russian T-34 running gear.
During the very intense opening scene, Tom Hank's makes reference to support from the "Air Force". Actually, the Air Force did not exist yet. It was the "Army Air Corps" then. [Actually, the name of the Army Air Corps was officially changed to the Army Air Force in 1942, so by the time of D-day using that term was correct]. [Alternatively of course, he's referring to support from the British Royal Air Force, which did exist].
Toward the end of the movie Private Ryan tells the soldiers who came to save him that the last time he and his brothers were together was before they went off to boot camp. But in the pan shot of the interior of the farmhouse, you see a picture of all four brothers in their uniforms.
At the beginning of the film, they have the old man in front of the grave and start telling the story from his point of view and end it with him as well. As he is thinking back, they go straight to Tom Hanks. However, later in the movie, you find out that the old man is Matt Damon (Private Ryan). They don't find private Ryan until halfway through the movie. How is it possible that Private Ryan can know what was going on with the men before they found him? [I have to allow a bit of artistic licence - the story isn't told from Private Ryan's point of view. Alternatively, it might be that someone told him exactly what they'd been through, and he was reliving the story of his rescue].
Matt Damon & Tom Hanks have a moving dialogue. In the scene Matt talks about the time his brother was trying to shag a girl in the barn. While the pained Tom Hanks sits in a chair we notice his hand which often shakes rests underneath the other. Then in a split second the left hand is on top of the other, then below...
After the taking of the beaches, and Tom Hanks returns for revised orders, the fleet in the background appears/disappears.
The older veteran Ryan seen in the opening and closing of the film is wearing a windbreaker with two pins on it. One pin is the insignia of the 101st Airborne (his unit). The other pin is the Presidential Unit Citation (blue bar with gold trim). This was awarded to the soldiers of the 101st after the Battle of Bastogne in December 1944, six months after Private Ryan was sent home. Many 101st vets wear this, but Ryan wouldn't have.
In the final battle scene when the American soldiers jump on the tank and shoot the guy who opens the hatch - the Germans bring out the twenty mill. gun and start shooting the men on the tank. But the guy who gets his head blown off doesn't even move-you can easily tell it was a dummy with an explosive rigged to it.
I could swear that when they're in that bombed-out town talking to the family, the translator asks them, "ou sont les Germans?" This is incorrect. Germans are "Allemands" in French. Pretty important word to know the correct translation for during WWII, wouldn't you say? [Apparently not - he does actually say "Allemands"].
The make of plane that stops the tank at the end of the picture was in real-life not fitted with a bomb rack. Linked to that: when the tiger tank is destroyed by the P-51 mustang the mustang has no underwing rack for any external ordinance. The .50 cal guns that were on the plane would not have destroyed the tank in one explosion, it would have needed to have used a rocket. (That's based upon the time between the explosion and the plane flying overhead). But there were no racks for the rockets! [While P-51s were occasionally fitted with rocket tubes, that still doesn't account for the fact that none were visible] [The fact that Matt Damon identifies them as "tank-busters" implies that the P-51's at the end of the film are the Mustang IA version, which had four 20 mm cannons firing armour piercing and/or explosive shells. This would account for the explosion without rocket racks.]
Towards the middle of the movie, Tom Hanks' character has the line, "I don't have a clue" (or something very similar). This phrase was not used until the early 80's. [The Oxford English Dictionary lists this particular usage as early as 1870 and 1924]
In the ending battle, there's two Tiger tanks. First of all, they're not Tigers but mocked-up T-34s. Second, at D-day + 6 there wasn't a Tiger within a hundred miles of Normandy.
101st Airborne Div. landed on the left wing of Utah Beach (view from invasion fleet looking to France) and most of the division was linked with the 4th division after the first day. The 2nd Rangers, Tom Hanks' group, landed on Omaha Beach, which didn't link up with Utah Beach until about D-day+6. Why didn't they send a group from Utah Beach to find Ryan?
In the scene where all the 101st Airborne troops walk past as Rieben, Jackson, Melish and Miller are joking about the various dog tags you can see an isolated shot of a young Italian looking trooper (he kind of looks like a young Sal Mineo) walk past and stare dead at the group. A few minutes later as Hanks' character Capt Miller is yelling at the procession, he shows up again in the background as Hanks encounters the trooper whose hearing is impaired because of the grenade. You have to look quickly though, and the image is somewhat blurred.
They are smoking filter tip cigarettes...filter tips hadn't been invented back then.
No set of elite soldiers would skyline themselves in enemy territory, so everyone around could easily see them.
At the start when a man has lost his right arm he looks around for it and picks up a left arm. Or is it a left arm and picks up a right?
At the end of the movie when the German Tanks are blown up, it show P-51 Mustangs and someone comments that they are tankbusters. The P-51 Mustang was a high altitude escort fighter. The real tank buster was a P-47 Thunderbolt. [Apparently P-51s did sometimes attack ground targets, even though they didn't really have the right weaponry. They were very vulnerable to attack from the ground, but when the ground troops needed support they went in, no questions asked].
They use Browning M1919 .30 cal machine guns. During WWII, all machine gun belts for the M1919 were made of canvas. But one shot of a M1919 firing from the tower in the end had a shot of metal links, not introduced till much later.
In the close combat with the SS-soldier ending with the knife in the chest of the US soldier, the German is wearing a Waffen-SS camouflage smock. Later, as he is in the group being (unbelievably) captured by the scared US interpreter, the SS-soldier is wearing a German Army issue poncho liner. [Different bloke]
The scared guy with a single shot rifle captures 5 or 6 guys equipped with automatics. [Some Germans surrendering to the interpreter was not especially unbelievable when you consider the large column of tanks and soldiers coming down the road. In that context he was merely the nearest US soldier and therefore the one they surrendered to].
They consistently talk about MG-42 machine guns. Yet I never hear or see any, only MG-34s. (The MG-42 has a clearly distinguishable sound from the 34 due to the firing rate). A seasoned troop would immediately hear the difference. [The machine gun mounted on the tripod at the radar station is definitely an MG42 (distinct long cooling slot on the barrel).]
The German tank commander's way of giving orders halfway standing outside the tank turret in the middle of a fire fight does not appear realistic. This was late in the war and I doubt that even Waffen-SS tank commanders had that confidence in their luck.
The "sticky bombs": These contraptions would never stick to a vertical surface (as placed on the wheels of the tank), at least not with the grease used in the film. And how did just the tracks of the tank come off, with all the wheels intact, when the bombs were placed on the wheels? [While the bombs wouldn't have caused the damage they're shown to have done, they would have stuck - the grease enables them to stick more through a suction effect, not letting air in, rather than through strict adhesive qualities]. [As an addition, did you ever try and get grease to stick to a sandbag]?
It is unlikely that an infantry soldier would give up his socks to make bombs when there are plenty of sandbags to use.
Why did they sit around chatting and practising French and only as the Germans arrive make the final wiring of the bombs?
I think it's right before the final battle scene: After talking strategy, one of the officers is overheard saying, "Let's rock and roll." Rock and roll came on the scene after World War II ended. [He doesn't say "rock and roll", he says "lock and load" - a perfectly acceptable wartime phrase].
Apparently not - The term "Lock and load" was a recent term only adopted during the Vietnam war when all troops were issued with automatic weapons. [Wrong again! One contributor's father served in the Army in WWII and the term was used then. They had automatic weapons, ie. Thompson Sub Machine gun, and Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR)].
Several US troops coming up from the beach have their M1 rifles wrapped in what is obviously heavy polyethylene sheeting - ostensibly to keep them dry. I'm open to correction, but fairly sure that polyethylene wasn't around in 1944. Oilcloth would have been the material of choice at that time. [Apparently not - it was some sort of polythene, and for most it was the first time they had ever seen plastic material (not counting bakelite of course)]. [Another correction - apparently it's called Pilofilm, and was invented in 1942].
By the time in the second world war that Private Ryan portrays the German Air Force was mostly destroyed, Therefore most panzers were fitted with anti-aircraft guns on the commanders cupolas to provide some means of defence. These are clearly not present in the film.
In the beginning of the film, Tom Hanks tells a soldier that he couldn't speak French. But at the end when he is listening to the French singer on the record, he understands what she is saying. [It's the translator who interprets, not Tom Hanks].
In the Ryan farmhouse scene, the camera pans across the room. You see a telephone hanging on the wall. That type of phone did not appear until at least the 1950s.
On the shore it shows a full can of ammunition floating in and out on the tide. A full can would be as heavy as a rock and would not move.
Toward the end there's a terrified guy carrying belts of machine gun ammunition. The bullets have no primers.
Just before the two American soldiers slap their grease coated "sticky bombs" on the passing German Tiger tank, you can clearly see two identically shaped grease stains on the first two wheels. Presumably nobody remembered to wipe off the wheels of the tank after a rehearsal or previous take of the scene.
In the beginning,we see the invasion of Normandy, and Tom Hanks arrives at the beaches. But the strange thing is that the beaches weren't taken until invasion wave 3. There were 3 waves of invasion waves. The first wave were all but slaughtered...few of the men survived. But because there are NO dead bodies on the beaches when Tom Hanks and his men arrive we assume he is with the first wave. But Tom Hanks and his invasion wave take the beaches...
In the opening battle scene, Capt. Miller pauses beside a beach obstacle (during the first slow-motion sequence) he appears to be kneeling in several inches of water. When he pours the water from his helmet, his knees are visible on the sand and the waterline is well behind him. A moment later he's ordering his men to advance and he's again in several inches of water. Obviously waves come in and go out, and the tide was rising, so it could be correct, but the difference is enough that it appears to be an editing error.
Several close-up shots of the bullets used throughout the film show holes in the cases, so they are clearly blanks.
The translator says "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die", then Tom Hanks attributes that to Emerson, when it was Tennyson who penned those that in "Charge of the Light Brigade". [That's not the quote attributed to him]
Many of the "log ramp" obstacles at Omaha beach appear to be pointing the wrong way. These devices, from the historical photos, pointed toward the cliffs so that the landing craft would run upon them like a ski ramp, and be flipped over, their bottoms pierced or torn, or damaged by an attached mine. But in the film, many of the obstacles point in the opposite direction, to the English Channel. There's no evidence that they were ever arranged this way. [Apparently lots of photos show the logs pointing outwards, intended to impale the light skinned landing craft. Additionally, mines would be added to the end of the log for greater effect.]
Lots of the history about the campaigns in WWII (such as writings by Stephen Ambrose and collections of oral histories from other veterans) indicates that the standard way to identify friendly troops in proximity when you couldn't directly see them was to yell "Flash", as a challenge, and "Thunder" was the correct password response. In Saving Private Ryan, this situation is enacted three separate times, with the terms reversed - "Thunder" is the challenge, and "Flash" is the response.
In the beginning of the film, the guy that Tom Hanks is dragging through the water dies. But then you can see him again various times throughout the film, for example when he asks Tom Hanks where the rallying point is.
According to the Geneva convention you can't shoot medics. This means that Wade was the one that statistically shouldn't have been shot when they attacked the bunker. [This is correct, BUT, when a medic takes part in a fight, he gives up that right. And Wade did participate in the attack so the German soldiers were "allowed" to shoot him.]
You can clearly see the blood on the camera lens when the three medics are trying to save the battalion surgeon.
Just before the final battle the soldier in the bell tower identifies 1 Tiger tank and 2 Panther tanks. When the "Panther" tanks appear they are actually self-propelled guns. [I believe the statement was "TWO tigers and two PANZER tanks" which he was using "PANZER" as a generic term. The Tigers were well known and there were so many other types of panzers that it would make sense that he would not know the exact models of the other two. ("Marders" I think)]
In the scene where they attack the Tiger they throw at least 3 grenades down the hatch but you never see them explode.
When Tom Hanks arrives at the bottom of the hill, under the German machinegun, he has a radioman left to him. This radioman gets his face shot of. In a later scene, this radioman appears as a wounded soldier on the beach.
The majority of the extras in the movie were from the Irish Army and the F.C.A. (a military organisation). Direct from one of these extras: in the opening scenes where the soldiers are in the boats before docking France against German militia, the soldiers puke their guts out, and we all see this. What you don't know is that it was REAL vomit you see - it was caught on camera perfectly and it was kept...
In the room where the guy gets knifed after the fight, they'd previously shot someone on the stairwell, causing a pool of blood to flow round the door. Later, when we see the scared guy creeping up the stairs, there's no body.
Watch the characters' shadows during the conversation on the bridge when Pvt. Ryan refuses to return home. When Pvt. Ryan speaks, it is obviously close to noon. When Capt. Miller speaks, his shadow is much longer. When the others speak, it is close to sunset and their shadows are perpendicular to Pvt. Ryan's.
Before the final attack in the village, we can see a wall with an advertising for Byrrh, an aperitif drink made from a blend of wines. The ad reads: “Byrrh, l'ami de l'estomach”, which basically means: “Byrrh, stomach's friend”. In French, the correct spelling is “estomac”, not “estomach”. This is quite a big mistake since the ad and the building are three or four stories high.
The route signs posted on the walls of the village make an erroneous use of capital letters in French: for example, the abbreviation for kilometres, in French, is not “Km” as I read it in the movie, but “km”. [The signs were placed by the Germans, who do use Km - the French tore down all the signs when the Germans invaded].
In the scene after Giovanni Ribisi dies and they're talking intensely, you can see a boom mike appear in the middle of the shot.
In the final battle, they take away the .30 GPMG machine gun out of the breach in the wall because there was "no ammo left". So why in the scene after do you still see an ammo belt in the feeding slot (left side) as they remove it?
Look very close at the M1 Garand cartridge belts. The ten pockets where the 8 rd. clips go are flat. These guys are all going into combat with no ammo! You would at least think they would have put blocks of wood equal to the size of the clips in the belt pockets to make it look like they have ammo in their belts.
Just before the beach landing, the man piloting the landing craft wishes the soldiers well, in a North American accent. In reality all those guys were British.
The so called Tiger tank is supposed to to be a late version but the front lights are a early one! I guess there were no early ones left at that time. And the Germans would probably not move tanks in to towns, they learned that in the Polish invasion.
It typically took several weeks for a soldier's death to be reported back to the U.S., yet S. Ryan's death was reported and orders issued by D-Day +3.
When the patrol is moving through the field of yellow/gold flowers, the BAR man clearly has no ammunition magazine in his weapon.
In the scene in the pentagon between several officers and General Marshal, when the camera pans over Marshall's left shoulder towards the officers, you can see that the colonel, who was missing his left arm in earlier scenes, has it again; it's missing again in the next shot.
In the final battle scene, after the sergeant fires the bazooka and turns to run across the bridge, there is a cameraman and assistant in the lower right corner of the screen.
The Tiger tanks in the end battle are not Tigers or T-34s they are self propelling guns - but towards the end of the war, the Germans were using them to bolster the numbers in Panzer divisions.
In the film it is said that Capt. Miller and his men belong to Charlie Company, 2nd Battalion Ranger and that they land in the Dog Green sector of Omaha Beach. I believe it was the 5th Battalion Rangers landed in that sector. Charlie company of the 2nd Battalion landed at Pointe du Hoc, a cliff between Omaha and Utah Beach.
When Caparzo is hit by the sniper he falls and drops his M1 right next to where he lands. Next time you see him the M1 is gone.
In the opening sequence Cpt Miller is wading through the sea with another man. You can see an odd looking square shaped object clearly through his wet uniform. It may come as no surprise but a second later he is shot dead centre of the pocket. The object was obviously a charge.
Near the end of the movie there is an hand to hand combat scene which results in the good guy being knifed in the chest while pleading for his life. You can clearly see that is is a fake cardboard box body with his head poking out.
Why Capt. Miller didn't use his sniper to shoot the 2 or 3 Germans defending the broken radar tower, instead of rushing it?
Jackson clearly fires more than 5 rounds from his 1903 springfield, a gun whose bullet capacity was only five rounds.
After the sniper is shot and Carpozo dies, Tom Hanks removes his dogtags. But earlier you can see when Carpozo takes the little girl he removes them from his neck and gives them to her. You can see her holding them as he moves along the rubble just before the other soldier takes her from him.
When they show the big battle at the beginning, the insignia of the troops is clearly that of a unit that was an all black unit, yet there isn't a black actor in sight.
When Barry Pepper (Jackson) has been given the dog tags to search through he looks for a place to sit. In this scene you see a black box with two yellow boxes at either side in the background. In the next scene the yellow box on the left has magically jumped up onto the black box in order for Barry to kick it off and sit on it.
Just before Tom Hanks is shot, some other soldier is shot. He falls on the ground but a second later you see him lift his bum up and roll in the water.
General Marshall is wearing branch insignia on his blouse lapel. Branch refers to, for example, infantry, armour, ordnance, etc. I think his was General Staff but I'd need to check exactly which branch he had on. But the point is, he shouldn't have had any. Generals don't wear branch insignia.
At the beginning of the movie, during the invasion of Omaha Beach, there are several shots showing the machine gun in the bunker used by the Germans to mow down the invading U.S. soldiers. At the rate at which the gun is being used and fired, wouldn't the barrel be red hot? I have read of some accounts of soldiers that were there and they stated that the barrels actually were glowing because the machine gun was firing bullets at an almost continuous rate.
At the start of the movie, the old man is running over to the tombstone. When he finds it he drops to his knees and his family comes over to help him. He brings his head up and then the movie starts. At the end, (after Tom Hanks dies) it is supposed to be a few minutes later but the family is really far away.
In the first town the group comes to (the one where Caparzo is killed) they meet up with the Airborne troops and the Airborne Sergeant. They then move through the town to find the Airborne Captain. Right after they start this move the Airborne Sgt. stops and drops to a knee before moving on. When he gets up and moves, the coiled up rope (that all the Airborne carry) falls out of the left side of his back-pack. No-one notices it and they all keep moving. A couple of seconds later they show him with Tom Hanks and the rope is back in his back-pack like it magically reappeared.
Tom Hanks should not have been able to fire his Thompson through the Tiger's driver's visor. There is a vision block of protective glass that the driver looks through.
In the final battle scene, when Barry Pepper's character Jackson is in the bell tower, you are shown a shot through his rifle scope and can see the crosshairs. When he shoots, the bullet squib from the ground is nowhere near where the crosshairs are.
Right after that, the bell tower is destroyed by a tank shot. When Pepper dies, you see a ball of fire effect which was obviously put in later. That's okay, but when they immediately cut to the wide shot of the tower, there is no flame, just smoke. If the tank was using high explosive loads, it would have made a huge fireball for all to see. If it was a regular round, there would be very little flash upon explosion.
The only other nationalities the Americans meet are German soldiers and French civvies. Surely the squad couldn't bog around France for so long and not see so much as a corpse of a British or French soldier, never mind a live one. It's not as if America was entirely responsible for liberating France, although it did play a vital part.
The MG 42 in the Normandy scene in the beginning of the film, is clearly mounted with a blank-round firing device. It is a large red thing you screw on the barrel of the gun.